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Gerry T. Galacio

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"those involve" OR "those involved"?
« on: September 01, 2024, 08:43:05 AM »
From "Photojournalists and those involve in visual news gathering should uphold the following standards in their line of work" Code of Ethics for Filipino photojournalists) at https://www.pcp.ph/pcp-code-of-ethics

Questions:

Shouldn't the phrase "those involve" instead be "those involved"?

Is it correct to say that "involved" should be used because it modifies "those"? OR, is it because the phrase "those involved" is elliptical, that is, the phrase is actually "those who are involved"?
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Re: "those involve" OR "those involved"?
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2024, 01:06:47 PM »
Gerry, I'm delighted to hear from you again with this posting of yours in the Forum after a long stretch.

Regarding your question about the use of the phrase "those involve" instead of "those involved" in the Code of Ethics for Filipino photojournalists, I don't think it's a step in the correct direction. It leads to this obviously grammatically incorrect sentence construction: "Photojournalists and those involve in visual news gathering should uphold the following standards in their line of work."



It's semantically incorrect to say that "involved" should be used because it modifies "those." Rather, as you yourself points out, it's because the phrase "those involved" is elliptical; that is, the phrase is actually "those who are involved" with the words "who are" dropped elliptically for a more concise and better-sounding construction. I must point out though that it's not necessary at all to invoke that  "those involved" happens to be elliptical for that phrase to be the grammatically correct usage in that sentence. Its simply that in day-to-day usage, a native English speaker's mind and tongue eventually find it a much more congenial and a faster thing to say "Those involved in visual news gathering..." than "Those who are involved in visual news gathering...", instinctively dropping the words "who are" with no danger at all of being accused as an English grammar ignoramus. This, of course, is the essence of calling such a grammatical shortcut an "elliptical construction," but frankly, I get the feeling it's a classic case of needlessly figuring out which came first--the egg or the chick...

By the way, I took a look at the "Code of Ethics for Filipino photojournalists" as released on March 23, 2011 or over 13.5 years ago (https://www.pcp.ph/pcp-code-of-ethics) that you posted along with your question about the usage of phrase "those involve" versus that of "those involved." I'd say that that Code of Ethics looks like a first draft that still needs a lot of semantic and grammar improvement. I was thus tempted to copyedit it and show below only a copy of the clean copyedit I did for whatever it's worth.

(For your eyes only so we don't ruffle a lot of feathers among our media friends, Gerry, I am withholding the original document and my copyediting work-in-progress.)

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PHOTOJOURNALISTS AND THOSE INVOLVED IN VISUAL NEWS GATHERING SHOULD UPHOLD A CODE OF ETHICS WITH THE FOLLOWING STANDARDS OF PERFORMANCE IN THEIR LINE OF WORK:

Be truthful, accurate, and comprehensive in the representation of subjects.

Be respectful of the integrity of the photographic moment and resist participation in staged photo opportunities (“drawing”).

Avoid stereotyping and represent reality without personal bias to race, creed, and sex and to religious, political, and cultural beliefs.

Treat all subjects with respect and dignity, never presume persons accused of any crime to be guilty or innocent until proven otherwise, and avoid intruding on private moments of their subjects in times of grief, crime or tragedy.

Never intentionally alter, contribute to, or influence events being photographed.

Maintain the integrity of the content and context of photographed images during editing and always be mindful not to manipulate, add or alter those images.

Never pay or reward materially photographic sources or subjects to induce them to provide information or participate in the photographic occasion.

Never allow personal a motive or interest to detract from the  performance of photographic duty or services, nor accept gifts, favors, or compensation from those who seek to unduly influence the manner of photographic coverage to suit illegitimate purposes.

Avoid actions that can sabotage the efforts of other journalists.

Respect the intellectual and property rights of individuals to his or her photo graphic images and never misrepresent them as my own.

Respect the confidentiality of my sources.

Use at all times only fair and honest methods in obtaining news, photographs, or documents.

Defend the rights of all journalists to get access to legitimate photographic coverage of newsworthy developments.
 
Strive by personal example and influence at all times to maintain the spirit and high standards expressed in this Code of Ethics.
 

*Adapted from the Philippine Journalists' Code of Ethics and the Code of the National Press Photographers Association of America (NPPA).
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Gerry T. Galacio

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Re: "those involve" OR "those involved"?
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2024, 05:19:53 AM »
Thanks for your explanation.

I also posted this question on the "Grammar Geeks" group on LinkedIn. A member of the group, Alexander Bakst, gave this answer:

"Yes, this one seems unambiguous to me: 'those involved in visual news gathering' using 'involved' with its adjectival past participle -d. The whole thing is a noun phrase that forms the compound subject of the sentence, where the first part is 'photojournalists (and).' The pronoun 'those' is the head of the noun phrase, modified by the participial phrase 'involved in visual news gathering.' I guess you could also read it as a reduced relative clause in passive voice: 'those who are involved in visual news gathering.'"