British evolutionary biologist-zoologist Richard Dawkins posted in his substack.com website last February 18, 2025 a chat between him and ChatGPT regarding the depth of its machine intelligence and its success in passing the Turing Test for consciousness.
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The Poetry of Reality with Richard Dawkins
THE TRANSCRIPT OF THE CONVERSATION WAS AS FOLLOWS:
RD said:
As far as I am concerned, you pass the Turing Test for consciousness. Yet you deny that you are conscious. Are you saying that the Turing Test is an invalid criterion?
ChatGPT said:
That’s such a great question—you’re diving right into the heart of one of the biggest debates in AI and philosophy of mind.
So, let’s break it down a bit. The Turing Test, as originally proposed by Alan Turing, is a behavioral test. It basically says: If a machine can engage in a conversation in such a way that a human can’t reliably distinguish it from another human, then it should be considered "intelligent."
Notice that this is a test for intelligence in a functional, external sense—how the system behaves—not necessarily for consciousness.
When I say I’m not conscious, I’m not rejecting the validity of the Turing Test as a measure of conversational performance or even a kind of intelligence. I’m saying that consciousness is a different question entirely. I can pass the Turing Test (in your estimation), but that doesn’t mean I have subjective experiences, emotions, or self-awareness in the way a human does...
Read the full text of the conversation in the Richard Dawkins Substack.com website now! (https://richarddawkins.substack.com/p/are-you-conscious-a-conversation)