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maria balina

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use of about, in terms of and when it comes
« on: January 19, 2013, 01:34:44 PM »
Hi, Mr. Carillo?
How do I respond to a question asking me how to use the expressions "when it comes to," "in terms of," and "about?"  These expressions are similar in meaning but I'm sure there are certain rules on their usage.
I would really appreciate an immediate reply from you.  Thank you.

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Re: use of about, in terms of and when it comes
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2013, 12:30:12 PM »
You’re correct in saying that “when it comes to,” “in terms of,” and “about” are similar in meaning, for they all convey the sense of “with regard to” or “concerning” something. They have different shades of meaning, though, and there are really no hard-and-fast rules on their usage. The choice among them largely depends on the chosen or habitual tone of voice—the so-called “language register”—of the writer or speaker.



Let’s start with the preposition “about.” It’s obviously the no-frills, no-nonsense, direct-to-the-point choice when you want to refer to something very quickly: “About the inconsiderate thing I said last night, I really didn’t mean it.” There are several close synonyms of “about,” the most common of which are “concerning,” “regarding,” “as regards,” and “with regard to,” but using them can make that same statement unnatural-sounding and ponderous. In particular, to say “Concerning the inconsiderate thing I said last night, I really didn’t mean it” sounds officious and bureaucratic, and to say “With regard to the inconsiderate thing I said last night, I really didn’t mean it” sounds like legalese or lawyer talk. I think you’ll agree that neither is the way to express yourself if you want to sound natural and unaffected.

As to “in terms of,” it’s an idiomatic expression that means “as measured or indicated by” in its original mathematical sense, and “in relation with,” “with reference to,” or “on the basis of” in its wider sense. Using it in its original sense gives a patina of precision and accuracy to statements, as in “Fifty years is a very short period in terms of evolutionary time, but a manageable interval for population geneticists.” In contemporary usage, however, “in terms of” is often loosely used in the sense of “regarding,” as in “The couple’s relationship in terms of intimacy is now practically zero.”

Much more idiomatic than both “about” and “in terms of” is the expression “when it comes to.” It means “when the subject being discussed is a particular thing,” and is often used as a grammatical transition to a different topic or a new aspect of the topic being talked about. Typical of its usage is effecting a change of subject, as in this statement: “In mathematics my professor is nothing less than a wizard. When it comes to social interaction skills, however, he is a hopeless incompetent.”

In present-day usage, however, “when it comes to” is now often used to mean simply “about,” “as to,” “as for,” “in relation to,” “speaking of,” or “on the matter of.” Note that the sense of transition in “when it comes to” is no longer as evident in this Canadian Press news report: “Statistics Canada says people over 65 use the Internet more than they did a decade ago, but there’s still a wide generation gap when it comes to videos and music.”

Indeed, that sense of transition is sometimes dispensed with altogether in the journalistic usage of “when it comes to,” which retains only the sense of “about.” This is the case in this sentence that starts a news report in The Guardian in the UK: “When it comes to air pollution, the long-suffering residents of Beijing tend to think they have seen it all. But this weekend, instruments measuring the levels of particulate matter in the city’s famously noxious air broke all records.”

So when uncomfortable or doubtful about using the various idiomatic variations of “about,” stick to “about.”
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Re: use of about, in terms of and when it comes
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2013, 03:29:19 PM »
“not mince one’s words”

When you don’t not mince your words, you express your opinions, ideas or thoughts very clearly, even if you offend others by doing so. Example: “The flustered subordinate didn’t mince his words, telling his superior in the face what an inconsiderate and hateful creature he was.”

Sir. the accepted and well-used idiom is TO HIS FACE.

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Re: use of about, in terms of and when it comes
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2013, 03:31:42 PM »
I notice, too, sir, a glaring double negative; to whit, "When you don't not mince...etc"

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Re: use of about, in terms of and when it comes
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2013, 05:47:29 PM »
Thanks for correcting my use of the expression “telling his superior in the face.” As you pointed out, it should be “telling his superior to the face.” The widely accepted idiom is “tell to the face,” not “tell in the face,” meaning “to tell (something) to someone directly.” However, I don’t see any glaring double negative in the use of the clause “the flustered subordinate didn’t mince his words” in that sentence.” The expression “not to mince words” means “saying what you mean.” Were you referring to the sentence you quoted verbatim or to some other posting?

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Re: use of about, in terms of and when it comes
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2013, 10:16:35 AM »
“not mince one’s words”

When you don’t not mince your words,...etc."

Looks like a shocking double negative to me...!

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Re: use of about, in terms of and when it comes
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2013, 10:59:16 AM »
Your feedback about the double negative in the phrase “don’t not mince words” actually sent me on a wild-goose chase in the Forum. I simply couldn’t remember where in the Forum you had quoted the sentence from. After multiple searches in the Forum’s labyrinth of postings, however, I finally found the entry in the Forum’s clickable “Idiomatic Expressions” section. Of course, you are absolutely correct about both the double negative misuse and the flawed “tell in the face” idiom, so I have since corrected the proofreading errors. Thanks a lot for calling my attention to them!

At any rate, kat, if you happen to find any more instances of possibly faulty grammar and usage in my Forum postings, I’d be very grateful if you can indicate precisely where they are to be found—just indicate the link or section and date of posting—so I can quickly check them out and correct them if need be.

I’m delighted to know that you have been going over the Forum’s various sections and discussion boards with a fine-tooth comb. I hope that aside from giving you the thrill of the hunt for grammar and usage lapses, your deep-penetration tour of the Forum will prove as well to be both a learning and sharing experience for you. Cheers!
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