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Miss Mae

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The Progressive Tenses
« on: June 06, 2012, 12:52:00 PM »
Am I right that the only difference between a present progressive tense and a present perfect progressive tense is that the action in a present perfect progressive tense already started?

How about the past progressive tense and the past perfect progressive tense? Am I right that the only difference between them lies with the fact that the action in a past perfect progressive tense is already complete?

The future progressive tense and the future perfect progressive tense seem to have no remarkable difference between them, for 'perfect' in perfect tenses signify completion. Am I right in those, too?

Joe Carillo

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Re: The Progressive Tenses
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2012, 05:28:01 PM »
I’m afraid that your statements about the various forms of the progressive tenses and of the perfect tenses don’t correctly reflect the differences between them. To show why, however, we first need to clearly understand the concept of the perfect tenses and progressive tenses in English. 

The perfect tenses are the verb forms that express an action or state completed at the time of speaking or at a time spoken of (whether in the past, present, or future); the word “perfect” in this sense means “made complete” or “completely done.” The progressive tenses, on the other hand, are the verb forms that express an action or state in progress at the time of speaking or a time spoken of (whether in the past, present, or future).

How the present progressive differs from the present perfect progressive

The present progressive tense describes an ongoing action that is happening at the same time that the statement is written or spoken. This tense is formed by using “am”/“is”/“are” with the verb form ending in “-ing,” as in the following sentence: “The jurors are reviewing the evidence against the accused.”

In contrast, the present perfect progressive tense describes an action that began in the past, continues in the present, and may continue into the future. This tense is formed by using “has”/“have been” and the present participle of the verb (the verb form ending in “-ing”), as in the following sentence: “The jurors have been reviewing the evidence against the accused much more closely.”

It is therefore incorrect to say that the only difference between the present progressive tense and the present perfect progressive tense is that the action in the latter already started. In both of these tenses, in fact, the action has already started. In the present progressive tense, however, there is no indication when that action started; all we know is that the action is in progress even as it is being written or spoken about. In contrast, in the present perfect progressive tense, it is clear that the action started at some time in the past and there is the implicit possibility that it may continue into the future.   

How the past progressive differs from the past perfect progressive

The past progressive tense describes a past action that was happening when another action took place. This tense is formed by using “was”/“were” with the verb form ending in “-ing,” as in the following sentence: “The newspaper reporter was interviewing the high official when the demonstrators pelted the latter with rotten tomatoes.”

In contrast, the past perfect progressive tense describes a past ongoing action or activity that was completed before some other past action. This tense is formed by using “had been” and the present perfect of the verb (the verb form ending in “-ing”), as in this sentence: “Prior to their arrest, the hoodlums had been victimizing students in the city campus.”

It is therefore incorrect to say that the only difference between the past progressive tense and the past perfect progressive tense is that the action in a past perfect progressive tense is already complete. The past progressive tense describes an ongoing past action or activity that is immediately followed by another action, also in the past. In the past perfect progressive tense, however, the past ongoing action or activity had already ceased or stopped but is told in the context of another past action or activity that followed it.

How the future progressive differs from the future perfect progressive

The future progressive tense describes an ongoing or continuous action that will take place in the future. This tense is formed by using “will be” or “shall be” with the verb form ending in “-ing,” as in the following sentence: “Next year, we will be touring Europe with our friends.”

In contrast, the future perfect progressive tense describes an ongoing or continuing action that will occur or will be completed in the future before some other action. This tense is formed by using “will have” + been + the present participle of the verb, as in the following sentence: “By the time we are back in Rome, we will have been touring no less than 11 European cities.”

It is therefore incorrect to say that there’s no remarkable difference between the future progressive tense and the future perfect progressive tense. The future progressive tense is about an ongoing or continuous action that’s expected to take place in the future, but the future perfect progressive tense is about the expectation of completing an ongoing or continuous action or activity in the future before some other future action or activity takes place.

It will take some doing, but by thoroughly familiarizing ourselves with the attributes and nuances of the perfect tenses and of the progressive tenses, we should be able to construct grammatically airtight sentences in the perfect progressive tenses without any trouble.

For a very comprehensive verb tenses tutorial that covers the tenses all the way to the perfect progressive tenses, click this link to Englishpage.com.
« Last Edit: July 07, 2012, 12:30:54 PM by Joe Carillo »

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Re: The Progressive Tenses
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2012, 08:33:10 PM »
Thanks for pointing out the copyediting error! You're absolutely right that the future perfect progressive form for that sentence is not "by the time... we will have toured" but "by the time... we will have been touring." I'll make the correction in my posting right after this to avoid confusing other readers. 

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Re: The Progressive Tenses
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2012, 04:13:13 PM »
Oh, well :( I really thought I'm doing better  :'( Thanks for the link, though  :)
« Last Edit: June 10, 2012, 04:18:47 PM by Miss Mae »

Joe Carillo

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Correction about the future perfect progressive tense
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2012, 01:03:14 PM »
Due to an unfortunate oversight on my part, I made erroneous specifications in my “English Plain and Simple” column in The Manila Times today, July 7, about the future perfect progressive tense and how it is formed. (A link to that column is provided in the news flash of the Forum’s discussion boards under the title “How the progressive tenses and the perfect progressive tenses differ – II.”)

The erroneous specifications are as follows: “In contrast, the future perfect progressive tense describes an action that’s expected to occur or to be completed in the future before some other action takes place. This tense is formed by using ‘will have’ with the past participle of the verb, as in this sentence: ‘By the time we reach Rome, we will have been touring no less than 11 European cities.’” The sentence presented as example is correct, but the grammatical specifications for it are not.

The correct specifications for the future perfect progressive tense and how it is formed are as follows: “In contrast, the future perfect progressive tense describes a continuing action that’s expected to occur or to be completed in the future before some other action takes place. This tense is formed by using ‘will have’ + been + the present participle of the verb, as in this sentence: ‘By the time we reach Rome, we will have been touring no less than 11 European cities.’”

The same erroneous specifications appeared in my reply last June 7, 2012 to Miss Mae’s question about how the progressive tenses and the perfect progressive tenses differ from one another (“How the progressive tenses and the perfect progressive tenses differ – II”). To avoid further confusing Forum members and guests, I have now corrected those erroneous specifications in the original posting.

My sincere apologies for the oversight.
« Last Edit: July 07, 2012, 01:37:39 PM by Joe Carillo »

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Re: The Progressive Tenses
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2012, 02:24:16 PM »
Then tenses in English language must be really confusing.

Miss Mae

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Re: The Progressive Tenses
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2012, 01:58:22 PM »
Since the past progressive tense indicates interruption, is it safe to assume then that it should always be followed with a when- clause?

Joe Carillo

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Re: The Progressive Tenses
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2012, 06:06:45 PM »
No, the past progressive tense doesn’t always indicate interruption, and it need not always be followed by a “when”-clause. By definition, it is used to indicate continuing action—something that was happening or going on—at some point in the past. As we all know, the past progressive tense is formed with any of the two forms of the past tense of the helping verb “be” (“was,” “were”), plus the present participle of the verb (the verb ending in “-ing”).

Here are examples of sentences in the past progressive tense that don’t indicate interruption:

“We were thinking of you all the time.”
“Some political agitators were sowing intrigues at the regional convention.”

Of course, the past progressive tense is often used to indicate that something happened in the past while something else was taking place, but sentences of this kind need not always be followed by a “when”-clause:

“Gina missed the job opportunity in Manila while she was touring Europe.”
“The photographer took pictures of the shoreline as the sun was setting.”

Indeed, it’s only when the past progressive tense is specifically used to express incomplete or interrupted action that it needs to be followed by a “when”-clause:

“We were swimming at the beach when the big waves struck.”
When the cancellation of classes came, the students were already taking their final exams.”

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Re: The Progressive Tenses
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2012, 02:38:44 PM »
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Re: The Progressive Tenses
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2012, 02:53:39 PM »
Does this mean, though, that the past progressive tense can still indicate interruption and be followed with a when- clause, just not always?

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Re: The Progressive Tenses
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2012, 04:37:44 PM »
Yes, that's right.

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Re: The Progressive Tenses
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2012, 01:02:37 PM »
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Re: The Progressive Tenses
« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2012, 01:43:31 PM »
Can I guide myself with these assumptions then?

Tenses that cannot be used in clauses with time expressions in the beginning:
- simple future
- future progressive
- future perfect progressive

Tenses that cannot be used in clauses with time expressions:
- present perfect

•   When you talk about things in the past, when is most often followed by the verb tense Simple Past, whereas while is usually followed by Past Continuous.
•   It is possible—yet usually not necessary—to use specific time words or phrases with the Past Perfect.
•   The Simple Past can be used instead of the Past Perfect when "before" or "after" is used in the sentence.
•   Passive forms of the Past Perfect Continuous are not common.
•   Future tenses cannot be used in time clauses.
•   Future Continuous emphasizes interrupted actions, whereas Future Perfect Continuous emphasizes duration of time before something in the future.
« Last Edit: July 17, 2012, 01:48:06 PM by Miss Mae »