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Miss Mae

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The only one aside
« on: October 17, 2011, 03:54:11 PM »
If it's the 'only one,' how could there be an 'aside'?

The Philippines is the third largest nation in the world believing in Catholicism, and the only one aside from East Timor that is predominantly Catholic in Asia.

Joe Carillo

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Re: The only one aside
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2011, 11:49:08 PM »
You have raised a very valid point. There does seem to be a serious semantic problem with the second clause in the following sentence:

“The Philippines is the third largest nation in the world believing in Catholicism, and the only one aside from East Timor that is predominantly Catholic in Asia.”

Indeed, if the Philippines is the “only one,” how could there be an “aside from”?

The preposition “aside from” means “in addition to” or “except for,” so that second clause can also be written as follows:

the only one in addition to East Timor that is predominantly Catholic in Asia”
or
the only one except for East Timor that is predominantly Catholic in Asia”

The sense of “the only one” does contradict the sense of “in addition to”; similarly, the sense of “the only one” contradicts the sense of “except for.” We have here two distinct entities of the same class, the Philippines and East Timor as predominantly Catholic countries in Asia, so none of them can be “the only one in addition to the other,” and none of them can be “the only one except for the other.”

So how do we get out of this grammatical and semantic conundrum?

I think we can do so by stating the fact as it is: that there are indeed two predominantly Catholic countries in Asia, namely the Philippine and Asia.

We can neatly do just that by reconstructing that sentence as follows:

“The Philippines is the third largest nation in the world believing in Catholicism; along with East Timor, it is one of the only two predominantly Catholic countries in Asia.”

Now the contradiction of terms is gone and the sense of the sentence has become crystal clear.

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Re: The only one aside
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2011, 03:16:59 PM »
There's also a semantic problem in the expression "one of the most," right? Can I rephrase the sentence The Philippines is one of the most beautiful countries to The Philippines is a beautiful country then?

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Re: The only one aside
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2011, 05:07:40 PM »
No, there's no semantic problem at all with this sentence:

"The Philippines is one of the most beautiful countries."

It says what it means in a grammatically and semantically correct way. Rephrasing it to "The Philippines is a beautiful country" takes out the superlative sense--let's not forget that the sentence is a comparative statement--and seriously alters its intended meaning.


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Re: The only one aside
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2011, 08:30:22 PM »
Uh, oh. I don't think I understand how that sentence became a comparative statement.

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« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2011, 02:06:13 AM »
A comparative statement compares likenesses and dissimilarities of different entities. This, of course, is the case with the sentence "The Philippines is one of the most beautiful countries." From the standpoint of the observer who said that, the Philippines counts among the most beautiful of the countries he or she finds beautiful. A comparison is being made when we see such adjectives as "less," "more," "equal," or "most" in a statement about an attribute of two or more entities.

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Re: The only one aside
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2011, 06:15:42 PM »
How did that happen when 'most' is a description in the superlative degree? Isn't it either the Philippines is the most beautiful country or not?

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Re: The only one aside
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2011, 09:25:06 PM »
No, when somebody says “The Philippines is one of the most beautiful countries,” it isn’t either the Philippines is the most beautiful country or not. It simply means that the observer, after comparing the Philippines with other countries in terms of beauty, found it among the most beautiful in the set. The countries in that set—including the Philippines—may, in fact, differ in their levels of beauty from a certain minimum up to the superlative degree, but as far as that observer is concerned, the Philippines belongs to his selection of the most beautiful countries. This is the true process and essence of doing comparatives.

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Re: The only one aside
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2011, 01:28:56 PM »
I see. Thank you, Sir!